PLOT BUNNY POST

[willnotdespair]

Also going to be known as the 'LET'S PLOT ALL THE THINGS' post.

Anyways, I told Steph/Emil-Mun that I would make this so here it is! Just a forewarning I absolutely fail at these sort of things so sorry if this is a big mess!

Basically let's all talk about the possibly plots/plans that we currently have and sort them out and everything. This way we can get everyone involved in them and we can also sort them out so we don't completely screw things over with our characters since we have some that we don't want to completely break (Emil and Mithos for example).

As far as I know here are the basic rundowns of the current ideas we currently have:

- Mithos finding out something happens to Martel (not her death) and Lloyd and his friends are to blame. Still need to figure out how exactly Mithos is going to come to this conclusion but Yuan's ring that Lloyd oh so happens to have with him will be a part of it! And.. Mithos is going to find out about Kratos being a traitor somewhere along the lines too because we are horrible people.

- Lloyd and Kratos finding out that they're related. Kaito/Lloyd-Mun and Olga/Kratos-Mun can explain the details much more than me obviously but it has something to do with Zelos saying it and Kratos disappearing for a week (with this + what happens with Mithos on top of it*)

* Basically Kratos has become our cast's punching bag. WE LOVE YOU KRATOS

- ALL THE FLUFF TIMES AFTER ALL THE HORRIBLE THINGS WE DO.

Of course, we need to incorporate a few things into these (such as the rest of our lovely cast!) and obviously more plot things are more than welcome to happen! Such as Lloyd and Colette accidentally getting together which is so so much fluffier than the drama I've listed above! Also there are more details with the plots above but uh... I'll put them somewhere (probably edit this post with everything along the way for organization purposes).

So gogogogo! Let us plot to our heart's content!

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[knightofcourage]

POTENTIAL EXPLANATION NUMBER TWO.

- Demons got out into the...well, non-demon world and interfered with the attempted germination of the new tree's seed.
- To stop them, Mithos did things and ended up in a deep sleep within the Eternal Sword. Over four thousand years, this got twisted into the sacrifice of legend.
- In the wake of Mithos's heroism and whatnot, the rest of his party ended up with a dilemma - any attempts to actively use the Eternal Sword would pretty much kill off Mithos. The best they could manage was a weak patch, i.e., the reverse-the-mana-flow seesaw that became the Chosen's journey.
- Kratos began searching for a way to save Mithos, and from there they could use the Eternal Sword and reunite the worlds and have happy endings and stuff. To this end, he was looking into the mana flow and mana reversals (from Sylvarant to Tethe'alla? Not sure).
- Blah blah blah early game as we know it. The big difference is the final seal and Kratos's betrayal: here Kratos perceives that something is going amiss somehow and aborts; this entails turning on the party. However, in the trouble that follows/on the way to Tethe'alla something happens and it actually ends up saving Mithos, who ends up in Ozette (possibly with slightly jumbled memories, if there are any discrepancies relating to that, and no memory of the events that led up to the sacrifice).

THINGS TO FIGURE OUT:
- Would Sheena (or...Zelos? I don't remember when the relevant sidequest is) know about demons? The first part kind of depends on this becoming a reasonable IC story; right now Emil knows of the existence of demons but they're not a serious thing to him yet.
- What is Mithos going to find out about Kratos's betrayal? The details are going to affect the details and/or plausibility of this story.
- Yuan's ring - still a thing. What is Lloyd going to be saying about this?
- Need to account for the fact that Kratos, Yuan, and Martel are all apart. I considered the idea that maybe they were separated over the worlds (i.e., Kratos/Yuan in Sylvarant and Martel in Tethe'alla) but since the party meets Mithos by traveling between the worlds this doesn't hold up right now.
- Aaaanything else? If you see any problems with this, please point them out so we can figure things out!

[ninjainviolet]

So, like when did you become a mind-reader? No, seriously, when did that happen? Because just about everything you came up with I thought of at work tonight. :P And now that my head is screwed on right, maybe I can participate. :)

The lies will be italicized, if that will help.

- One thing we all have to remember though, whatever the group tells Mithos will be a lie--for the most part. He will be taking the place of Martel as the one attached to the Great Seed, yet instead of being dead, he can be considered being in a coma the entire time--thanks to both his Crystal and the Mana flowing around him.

- Reason Martel isn't around: Despite their efforts, and her brother's sacrifice, the discrimination didn't stop. Half-elves were still thought inferior, although it was a half-elf that saved everyone. She initially worked with Kratos and Yuan as they secretly tried to free Mithos, but became fed up with each failure and continued hatred for half-elves. Eventually, she just left and went into seclusion, and no one has seen her since.

- Yuan's ring: In-game, he dropped it, and Lloyd found it, right? And I don't think he had had a chance to return it by the time he went through the Otherworldly Gate. So, that really shouldn't be a problem.

- The party meets Mithos near Ozette in Tethe'alla, and when he announces his name, they're shocked, but of course, he can't be the hero of legend right? Just named after him like Raine mentioned. Or like Sheena suggested, a hereditary name passed down like her own last name is. Which, if we go that direction, could be construed that Martel is alive and started the tradition of keeping the name alive--whether by her own children or by suggesting it to others. (Hey, she's got a Crystal, too, so why not?)

- Demons? Or do you mean the Summon Spirits? If it's the Spirits, Sheena's the one who mentions them when they find the unicorn in the lake, and they need the power of Undine to reach it.

- Which leads to how Mithos woke up. Sheena's making the pacts disturbed the balance of the mana and shocked him awake, and after 4000 years in a coma, yeah, he could have some memory loss (other coma patients do), and he moved on instinct instead of any real knowledge to make it to Ozette.

[willnotdespair]

Just going to point out contradictions because that's what I do! Original is in Italics and contradictions/answers are in bold. I'm thinking on Mithos terms here sooo here we go.

- Reason Martel isn't around: Despite their efforts, and her brother's sacrifice, the discrimination didn't stop. Half-elves were still thought inferior, although it was a half-elf that saved everyone. She initially worked with Kratos and Yuan as they secretly tried to free Mithos, but became fed up with each failure and continued hatred for half-elves. Eventually, she just left and went into seclusion, and no one has seen her since. The last part wouldn't make sense to Mithos. Martel is a lot like Colette and regardless of the discrimination and the war loved the world and would do anything to change it. Even with so many years he wouldn't believe that Martel would go into seclusion. Yuan? To Mithos he would be the most likely companion to do this since he initially joined them to prove something to the two other half-elves. Kratos? Perhaps. Martel? Not really. The two of them sort of bounced back and forth between helping each other but unlike Mithos I think Martel would continue to strive towards the goal especially if it was to help wake her brother up.

- Yuan's ring: In-game, he dropped it, and Lloyd found it, right? And I don't think he had had a chance to return it by the time he went through the Otherworldly Gate. So, that really shouldn't be a problem. Depends on how much of a derp Lloyd is and how he explains the ring. In fact... it's never stated in canon when Lloyd figures out that it's Yuan's ring. Not during any skits either (in fact Yuan isn't mentioned at all in any skits). So I guess it could break everything or do nothing.

- Demons? Or do you mean the Summon Spirits? If it's the Spirits, Sheena's the one who mentions them when they find the unicorn in the lake, and they need the power of Undine to reach it. Nope. Demons. The ones that are found in the book in Sybak.

I know there's something else but I can't find the words for it so I'll leave it with these.